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tea_and_inkI has thoughts. And will have to go back to ep and re-watch it. Several times, possibly.
It makes sense, that it all started as a deal, not a CRD type of deal, but a very deceptive one, the terms of which were very specific in terms of informed consent, if you're selling your soul, you must know you are selling your soul, else the contract could be dismissed, right? But if you really won't miss what you're giving away, then... And had it not been for Mary walking in in the middle of the blood transaction, she may never have come to know about Sam and the blood thing. So, that pleases me because oh, HI ANSWER!
BUT. Destiny cannot be changed, according to Castiel, and so there was no way Dean could have changed things, they were meant to be and thus they were, if this is true, then what exactly is Dean gonna stop, if whatever is to happen will happen? ::scratches head:: see? this is exactly what had me all wary of this episode, how the time traveling part of time traveling was gonna be handled, technically there was no danger for Dean to do much damage and so it would be safe to give him a front row seat to witness the events and gain possible insight, but then again, how does something predetermined change? what can Dean do to stop it? Was his death and consequent "raising from perdition" also written down somewhere? Is that why Dean can actually do something? Because he was not supposed to be alive anymore which would make him even more of a wildcard than he usually is? Assuming that is true, wouldn't that qualify as tampering with timelines and predestined happenings?
While I appreciate the rising of further questions and the set-up for more discussion on free will vs. destiny, I am a bit put off by the way it was presented. Maybe we just need to see what Sam is up to. (Is it wrong that I didn't really miss Sam in this ep?)
NEW PET THEORY: ::jumps up and down:: Ruby is, somehow, Azazel's back-up plan, or maybe she took up the slack after he was off the map, just not out to lead the army, like others were, but through Azazel's plan's strongest point, the human leader. I'm thinking she saw the possibilities, how relatively easy it would be to swing Sam to her side, get him to use his powers, give him a taste of that control, that sheer power and then let Sam's human nature do the rest. This would assure her an important position without really getting her hands dirty. GOD! Ruby's mystery drives me bonkers!
And, um. Mary kissed her father!!! SQUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! demon-possessed, but arguably already dead and, oh yeah, HER FATHER! Kripke, man.
This one also packed a serious emotional punch. Serious, I tell ya. What with Dean warning Mary not to get out of bed (and the Single Perfect Emo Tear of Manpain) the night she died, and Mary wanting normal and a family and then not getting it at all, how she believed, was convinced she'd get her happy ever after while the whole time we (and Dean) know it won't happen. Though I will admit to being annoyed at the ANVIL of her absolute worst case scenario being her children raised into that kind of life, that one broke my heart on behalf of John, that one was way below the belt (John's) and it made my heart clench because should John ever hear that...
On a more shallow note: HELLO GREEN SHIRT, MISSED YA! Now, wardrobe people, all you need to do is bring back the maroon shirt of awesome and all will be right with the world, 'k?.
There. I now will hit the bed for a little while. Catch y'all later, kids.
It makes sense, that it all started as a deal, not a CRD type of deal, but a very deceptive one, the terms of which were very specific in terms of informed consent, if you're selling your soul, you must know you are selling your soul, else the contract could be dismissed, right? But if you really won't miss what you're giving away, then... And had it not been for Mary walking in in the middle of the blood transaction, she may never have come to know about Sam and the blood thing. So, that pleases me because oh, HI ANSWER!
BUT. Destiny cannot be changed, according to Castiel, and so there was no way Dean could have changed things, they were meant to be and thus they were, if this is true, then what exactly is Dean gonna stop, if whatever is to happen will happen? ::scratches head:: see? this is exactly what had me all wary of this episode, how the time traveling part of time traveling was gonna be handled, technically there was no danger for Dean to do much damage and so it would be safe to give him a front row seat to witness the events and gain possible insight, but then again, how does something predetermined change? what can Dean do to stop it? Was his death and consequent "raising from perdition" also written down somewhere? Is that why Dean can actually do something? Because he was not supposed to be alive anymore which would make him even more of a wildcard than he usually is? Assuming that is true, wouldn't that qualify as tampering with timelines and predestined happenings?
While I appreciate the rising of further questions and the set-up for more discussion on free will vs. destiny, I am a bit put off by the way it was presented. Maybe we just need to see what Sam is up to. (Is it wrong that I didn't really miss Sam in this ep?)
NEW PET THEORY: ::jumps up and down:: Ruby is, somehow, Azazel's back-up plan, or maybe she took up the slack after he was off the map, just not out to lead the army, like others were, but through Azazel's plan's strongest point, the human leader. I'm thinking she saw the possibilities, how relatively easy it would be to swing Sam to her side, get him to use his powers, give him a taste of that control, that sheer power and then let Sam's human nature do the rest. This would assure her an important position without really getting her hands dirty. GOD! Ruby's mystery drives me bonkers!
And, um. Mary kissed her father!!! SQUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! demon-possessed, but arguably already dead and, oh yeah, HER FATHER! Kripke, man.
This one also packed a serious emotional punch. Serious, I tell ya. What with Dean warning Mary not to get out of bed (and the Single Perfect Emo Tear of Manpain) the night she died, and Mary wanting normal and a family and then not getting it at all, how she believed, was convinced she'd get her happy ever after while the whole time we (and Dean) know it won't happen. Though I will admit to being annoyed at the ANVIL of her absolute worst case scenario being her children raised into that kind of life, that one broke my heart on behalf of John, that one was way below the belt (John's) and it made my heart clench because should John ever hear that...
On a more shallow note: HELLO GREEN SHIRT, MISSED YA! Now, wardrobe people, all you need to do is bring back the maroon shirt of awesome and all will be right with the world, 'k?.
There. I now will hit the bed for a little while. Catch y'all later, kids.
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Date: 2008-10-03 03:23 pm (UTC)Yep, there needs to be more meta on the free will v. destiny angel in the SPN universe. But as presented, SPN seems to be a determinist universe, right? Dean couldn't change the past (and thus there was not much danger to him doing any damage, etc.), so one can only guess that means that Dean can't "change" the future. So this means in my head that Dean IS DESTINED to save SAM. That's all I'm saying :) So all of this was supposed to happen (man, okay I feel like a BSG tagline now....'all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again' destiny yadda yadda)
I love your theory on Ruby. Yes!
And haha. Kripke loves to play with his fans. They like incest? We'll just through some of that in there, lol :D This episode was absolute fanservice, and full of anvils and and shameless exposition and just full of complete awesome.
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Date: 2008-10-04 01:36 am (UTC)When he said: "You have to stop it", I think he was referring to YED's plan: Sam going to the dark side. This would be linked to his warning of: If you don't stop him, we will.
I like your Ruby-theory. Yeah, her mystery annoys me too, but I looooorve. I was SO happy that she's back. I'm still not confortable with Ruby 2.0; the new girl looks far too vulnerable to play ball-breaking, ass-kicking Ruby... *sigh* but, oh, well. It's what we get!
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Date: 2008-10-04 05:39 am (UTC)aahaha, I said the same thing on this. TRUST KRIPKE.
Also, re:Sam's destiny. I don't know, I always think people overanalyse stuff, but mostly it's me having so little original thought on the supernatural. I took Castiel's last speil to mean it is destined for Sam to be stopped, but HOW he is, is up to Dean [and has not been written]. If Dean cannot do it, he, they will.
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